15: Sins of the Church – Sexual Harassment & Grooming


What if your Pastor was sexually harassing you? What if this Pastor showed a pattern of grooming, not only with yourself, but others? What if you told the church body responsible for holding this Pastor accountable, and they did little more than slap the Pastors wrist? What if most of your church family refused to act or believe you when you told them what happened?

These aren’t hypotheticals for the guests on today’s episode. They bravely share their stories, and we discuss the impacts of this on their lives and their faith, and we talk about how the church can do better.

Visit shipwreckoversafety.com as we will be sharing blogs and resources in the coming days on sexual abuse and harassment within the church and how we should respond. Mostly, we’ll point you to the amazing work being done by experts who are fighting abuse in christian circles.

If you’re anxious to learn more, start at the following link where you’ll find excellent resources from an amazing organization already doing this important work, GRACE (Godly Response to Abuse in Christian Environments): https://www.netgrace.org/resources

15: Sins of the Church: Sexual Harassment & Grooming

12 thoughts on “15: Sins of the Church – Sexual Harassment & Grooming

  1. This is absolutely terribly! Are the police getting involved?

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    1. Hey Cassie. Yes, it is terrible!

      Right now, I’m unsure of Police involvement. We are leaving much of the decision making for how to move forward in the hands of Christa and Liz. Our main purpose would be having the church do the right thing and there being severe consequences. Not for revenge, but to keep other women in that church safe and to admit how they’ve wronged Christa and Liz. What that all looks like, we’ll see in time.


      1. Sad to see church leadership (and even members in the congregation) turn such a blind eye to sexual abuse! It’s appalling that they went to measures to, instead of appropriately disciplining a pastor and offer reconciliation to these women, chose to make this into a scandal and cover it up. Sad. Disappointing. Gut-wrenching. Whoever was involved in the “discipline” needs to do the right thing and RESIGN NOW.

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  2. I will say that this pastor has now resigned. Being part of the church community, we didn’t know and had no idea. It is sad, appalling, and clear about wrongdoing, thanks for presenting in an objective manner. I would also like to apologize in behalf of the church community, we failed you and I wish we know and we’re better. I wish I did better to embrace you. My hope is that the church can heal and that this never happens again because of you sharing your story. Thank you for your courage and honesty.

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    1. Thanks for your comment. I’ll make sure the women involved see it, as I’m sure it will be meaningful for them to hear. I hope it is understood that we know there are great people within that church. This was a problem with leadership and we know the rest of the church wasn’t told the whole story.

      I’m sorry, as I know it must be difficult for you as well. Thanks for touching base.


    2. Was this rosewood hope alliance church?

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      1. As I’m guessing you know by now, yes it was. We were waiting, not wanting to publicize it ourselves, but it’s loved beyond us now and has become public.


  3. I am so appaled with the church and the outcome of you amazing woman coming forward. I am so happy that you guys took an even bigger step to go on this podcast and make people aware of the things that happen or can happen in a church that so many people turn a blind eye to. I have shared this story with people who are close to me. People are behind you 100 percent who don’t even know you. I am horrified that you and your children have lost faith in a church that you should have been able to seek faith in.

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  4. Les Klippenstein October 25, 2019 — 3:50 pm

    It is time that JW is held to account for his abuses. They are not just limited to sexual situations. In the 90’s, JW was the music minister in Lawson Heights Alliance in Saskatoon, and he was observed by myself and my friends there as abusive to women, and verbally abusive to men, including myself. When feeling threatened as to others in the music department being more competent, he turned on us, turned the board against us, threatened us. The board would not even give us a hearing. I still have some of the correspondence. My last memory of that church was the Senior pastor yelling at me that I was the cause of the problems in the church. We are individually responsible for our actions, but the church is also responsible for the actions of those they put in positions of responsibility. May God help us all, our reputations as Christians is terrible, largely a result of sweeping the dirt under the carpet instead of dealing with it. Wake up Protestants and stop thinking that only the Catholics have issues with their priests.

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  5. I am so happy this has finally hit the media. Thank you so so much for recognizing the problem and shining a light on it. And to you, Liz and Christa, for being brave enough to come forward with your stories. This same individual has done the same things to my sisters and myself. Listening to the text messages and to what you ladies had to share was shocking to me, only because it was almost word for word what we’ve experienced. I was horrified, embarrassed, confused…. I felt like I was to blame because after all, he was the pastor and I was the one who needed the emotional support and counselling. If we’ve experienced it from this same man, and you two have as well, I can only imagine how many others are out there. He is a sick, sick man.

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    1. Wow. Thanks so much for sharing. Much love to you, and I hope you can continue to find healing. We are so proud to be associated with Liz and Christa! If at any point you want to talk, you can email us at shipwreckoversafety@gmail.com. Not to go public or anything, but just so we can connect you to supports. We’d never say a word to anyone about who you were or anything unless you wanted us to. We just want to make sure you have the support you need. Please take care!


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